Episode 1 The Shero Podcast Interview with Charleston Realtor Shero, BJ Rodgers

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Ingrid Centurion “Okay, we are live on the Shero podcast. So happy to have you BJ on the show. We are doing this to inspire and motivate women and share so many stories that some of us probably forgot about, and we need to remind all young middle aged women of all ages. And not just women, even even men, children and everything else.”

Ingrid Centurion So thank you so much for being on the show.

BJ Rodgers Thank you. Thank you for having me.

Ingrid Centurion “Yes. Thank you. I want us to really connect with our audience. And if to me you’re an amazing woman, you have so much to share as a mother, as a sister, as a wife. Many of us are are heroes. We are heroes to our children were heroes to our family members. And women are so strong. And I want to continue to inspire women who are struggling.”

Ingrid Centurion And we’ve been there. We’ve done that.

BJ Rodgers Yes. We have. So we have that T-shirt.

Ingrid Centurion “Somebody used to say, I got that t shirt and, and, you know, first I want to talk about your degree, your degree in, horticulture, right. Is one very interesting. You know, I have a I have a degree in, aviation operations and management. So having a degree and in horticulture alone just fascinates me. And, you know, tell us, you know, where did this journey begin?”

Ingrid Centurion “Because you love to say you’re southern born. And I love that girl. Southern girl. And you also hold, the title of the first female game warden in South Carolina.”

BJ Rodgers Yes. Correct.

Ingrid Centurion “Let’s stop there. Let’s talk about your southern charm, your southern queen. And, South Carolina’s first game warden we have on the line with us today on the Shero podcast.”

BJ Rodgers “Well, my journey began. I was in school. I went to the College of Charleston. Then I’ll transfer you, get into the horticulture program. And after two years in that program, I thought, you know, I need to be doing something bigger than this is. You just going to school is not good enough. And I didn’t know that horticulture would be a, a moneymaker for me at some point.”

BJ Rodgers “But, you know, you kind of back into things that you really like. And I love yard work. Don’t show in my yard now, but it’s winter time, you know? So they were they had they never, ever put up articles that they were having, that you could apply for game warden jobs for only 250. I was, I think when I got hired and, when they put that out, I started taking the tests and I, I graduated to about four times taking it because every time you would take it, your name would get put back in front of the board in Columbia.”

BJ Rodgers “So I kept taking the test and kept being in front of their faces. So they, you know, they finally said, let’s talk to this woman. So she really wants to do it. And of course, they gave me a barrage of things. What would you do if somebody cut a deer shirt in front of you? I said, well, we hang it up so it could drink.”

BJ Rodgers “And they were like, good answer. So, all the myths about women I hunt, I say I haven’t had in a while, but I fish. You’re part of it. And I had it quite a bit. And, that was probably one of the reasons why I was so interested in law enforcement and in the wildlife to everybody that you come across is armed.”

BJ Rodgers “They all have guns. So, you know, you have to have a certain degree of diplomacy and not be a hothead. And somebody who takes on the world every time they see something going wrong. So that’s kind of how I got started.”

Ingrid Centurion “And, and and how about your your parents? Tell us a little bit about your parents, your brothers and sisters growing up. I know a lot of people talk about, well, when I, when I grew up and I was in high school, ways to carry guns on the back of our truck and, and shotguns and, you know, we we are a Second Amendment state.”

Ingrid Centurion “We are our guns in South Carolina. We believe in in freedom. And at a time people need to realize that, you know, you need a gun, you know, to shoot, a rattlesnake or to shoot a bear or you need a gun to protect yourself out in the wilderness. Talk about that. And when you grew up, how things were different.”

BJ Rodgers “Well, when I grew up, I can’t say all the guys had racks of guns on in their trucks, but because, you know, I grew up in the city, but, yeah, nobody was afraid of carrying their shotgun, or I never carried a pistol. I got to be in my 20s, and then I carried a pistol all the time.”

BJ Rodgers “But, yeah, it was different, you know? But we were not afraid of, you know, the neighbor like we are now. It’s it’s we’ve live in some strange times and so carry a pistol now, and we have our Second Amendment right, and we, by golly, we’re going to do it.”

Ingrid Centurion “Exactly. So who were the early influences in your life if you were to talk about? I always ask people this question, you know, okay, if you were to say, this is what shaped me, you know, like, I believe that being raised without a dad has shaped me. Not having a father and being raised by a single mom always working.”

Ingrid Centurion You’re on your own. And I believe shaped me who I am today. So talk to us a little bit about those early influences in your life that you feel. This is why I am who I am today.

BJ Rodgers “Well, I don’t know that I’ve ever shared this with you. My mother died when I was 14. She had, Hodgkin’s disease. So back then there was no cure for it. There is now. But she died when I was 14, and my dad only made it three more years. So I, I had nobody to come bail me out.”

BJ Rodgers “I mean, I have a sister who lives a ways away from me, and that’s it. So I had nobody to bail me out. So I just put my head to the ground, nose to the grindstone, and said, by golly, I got to make it and I’m going to make it, and do well with it. And I just went after it.”

BJ Rodgers “And but I’ve always been driven, even as a kid. I mean, I’m sure I drove my parents up the wall with my stubbornness and headstrong, but, I would say that’s what shaped me. That’s what made me feel like, by golly, if I can make it here, I can make it anywhere.”

Ingrid Centurion “Right? Wow. I did not know that. Okay, that is a significant emotional, event at a young age. And yeah, that definitely shaped us today.”

BJ Rodgers “Yeah, somebody would probably call it trauma. I don’t call it trauma because, I’m kind of a pragmatist. It just happened. And I’m the best of it, you know?”

Ingrid Centurion “Well, I also believe that is a huge, a challenge that built your resiliency. Like I say, every woman faces hurdles. Personal, professional. And it what is what builds us. Oh, yeah. So how did you from there. Gosh, you are you were you the oldest of your sisters and brothers?”

BJ Rodgers “No. My sister is, nine years older than me. So, she carried me on her hip for a while, you know, because I was the little kid, you know? So I was really an only child in that age group. Everybody else was big. And she and I did a lot of stuff together until she got married, moved away and all that good stuff, but,”

BJ Rodgers “Yeah, we. I had an interesting childhood. I was, I was a bit of a pushy little broad, you know, I was a boss.”

Ingrid Centurion “Now, during overcoming all these challengers challenges, there’s always times where you felt like you were going to give up. What is it that pulled you through that, that that young, you know, teenager as as BJ?”

BJ Rodgers “I suppose. Sheer will. I’ve always been somebody who said, okay, I can do that, I can do that. And it I always watched Jim Rowan and, what’s his name? A lot of the gurus, Tony Robbins, did all that growing up. And so I’ve always had that mindset that, yes, I can do it, by golly, I can do it.”

BJ Rodgers “And so people helped me along the way. Don’t get me wrong. You know, I did. I’m a turtle on a post like everybody else. But I would say when I met my husband, who’s now passed, because of the encouragement, the cheerleading, the you can do anything you want to do, all those things I would say that has really catapulted me to a different level now.”

BJ Rodgers “I was already a game warden when I met him. He used to like to tell people that he got a ticket, but you got a date.”

Ingrid Centurion All right. So how did you meet him?

BJ Rodgers “He was hunting dogs on a on a dusty old. I noticed a while, and I was going from Hunter to Hunter checking licenses and the number of birds they had. He had too many. So, I wrote him a ticket, and, the rest is history. I actually driving the court.”

Ingrid Centurion I guess.

BJ Rodgers “I met him. He was. It was at the base then at the naval base, and he said, I really don’t know how to get there. I said, I’ll tell you what. You park your car and you can ride in the patrol car. And I took him to court. The judge dismissed the case because you can win in uniform.”

Ingrid Centurion “Now, another thing that, you know, we all some of us are married once, twice. Three times. And and those are those are challenges I deal women, some of them, you know, feel when they get divorced, they were a failure, a failure as a wife, a failure, you know, in that relationship. And and then they move on.”

Ingrid Centurion “And, and, I mean, it’s okay. Some people stay in marriages that they are abusive and they should have. Yeah. And, yeah, all of these are the the hero stories of. Okay, how do you get away from an abusive relationship? And do you want.”

BJ Rodgers “Y’all share a little bit about that. Like, I want.”

Ingrid Centurion “You to share that because first of all, some people don’t like to talk about it, right. It’s they feel embarrassed. They don’t want to let anybody know they’re being abused or in fear. So it’s a very personal thing. But to get out of it is, is the is the hero story?”

BJ Rodgers “Yes. And when I got I got married not not must have been about 24 when I got married. And of course, it was kind of the thing to do. All the red flags were there before. But you’re young and you do dumb stuff and, you know, you just you think, well, this is the one. And it really wasn’t the one.”

BJ Rodgers “And so I married him. He was very abuses, physically and verbally. And after about, I’d say four years of marriage, I said, that’s it. And I went to see a lawyer and, of course I had to hide from him because he would chase me. He was very aggressive. I mean, he chased me in the wildlife car.”

BJ Rodgers “He didn’t. He. He could care less. So, I would run from him. And then I made my mind up. I was not going to run anymore. And I, went to the wildlife department. I tell them, ask for a transfer, they’re going to move me to Myrtle Beach. And then I said, you know, I’m not going to run.”

BJ Rodgers “I am not going to run. And I made my mind up. Every time he would chase me, I would document it. I would show it to the judge. Next time I went. And I eventually ended up walking him up. We didn’t stay locked up very long, but he finally got the word and let to be alone. But he threatened me for years.”

BJ Rodgers “He told me, he said, one day I’ll wrap a crowbar around your neck. He said it might be 20 years, but one day I’ll do it. And now he’s passed away. Now I think he was murdered. I know the story. And I know about that story. I just heard bits and pieces of it, but. So now I don’t worry.”

BJ Rodgers “But the point is, where there’s a will, there’s a way. But you can’t ask people to help you and do not take action. And a lot of people will do that. They’ll go, oh, help me. Let me stay with you. I’m afraid he’s going to hurt me. And then they go back to them. And I never did that.”

BJ Rodgers “Once I left, I was gone.”

Ingrid Centurion “Yes. Wow. And then I mean, I’m sure after that you probably didn’t want to be in any type of relationship.”

BJ Rodgers “No. But once you meet somebody who’s, who’s not only very nice to you is encouraging and smart. And I just married the wrong person the first time I saw. So when my husband came along, it was like, God, what a breath of fresh air.”

Ingrid Centurion All right. Yeah.

BJ Rodgers “So,”

Ingrid Centurion “And then the children come along, let’s talk about the family, because we have so many young women today that are, overwhelmed, right, with, with children with work, with school, so many families today you have two parents that have to work just to make ends meet. But yeah, a little bit about the family life because this is a really big, also important part of women.”

Ingrid Centurion “And how how do we manage, how do we balance, how do we, you know, we’re trying to be superwomen and, and and many of us are. And and those who can’t be, you know, it’s okay. This is where I. You ask for help and you get that help. Let’s talk about your children and your story. Okay?”

BJ Rodgers “Well, I really had a I had the best of both worlds. My husband retired as the seal of the naval Station before we had kids. So when he retired, he’s the one that had to go to the private schools and take the tampons when they called, you know, because I was the one that working because I started my, my business Springer Gallery.”

BJ Rodgers “And, so I had the best of both worlds. He kept the house, he did the cooking, he did all those things. But he was a motivational speaker after the military. So, we had a pretty cool life. My girls got to travel and see a lot of the world and, go all kinds of places. And then when they got in school, of course, you know, we had to settle down.”

BJ Rodgers And he went by myself for a while until I got out of the business.

Ingrid Centurion “And tell us about the business about,”

BJ Rodgers The motivational business or.

Ingrid Centurion “No, your your your,”

BJ Rodgers My client business.

Ingrid Centurion Yeah. The plans. The plans.

BJ Rodgers “Oh, yeah. What? The plant business. It’s called render Gallery. And I’ve sold it to a big company. And they have since sold it to the largest company in the world. But, it was interior design and maintenance, so I had, like, 15 technicians in Charleston that would go around and go to different hotels and hospitals and things and maintain the plants and, and we rotated them out as need be.”

BJ Rodgers “Something didn’t do. Well. We put another plant in its place, and then we also operated in Atlanta. So it was a pretty good business. It was I mean, it kept me busy. Probably a little too busy at times, but I enjoyed it. And, so of course I built a, powerhouse. So when I got ready to sell it, it was in demand to buy.”

Ingrid Centurion “All right. So what advice do you have for women who feel stretched thin or overwhelmed when they have the family and the business and so much going on in their lives? I mean, you’ve been there.”

BJ Rodgers “Read my favorite book, Who Not how you never want to do all the work yourself. If you’ve ever read the book to Image Revisited, the baker that owns the little bakery does all the work by themselves. They don’t get help. You can’t do that. If you do that, you’re going to stay in that, in that mode, and you’ll never grow your business to where I had to delegate, delegate, delegate.”

BJ Rodgers “And when I found people that I could delegate things to and they were good at it, I didn’t have to worry about them anymore. All I had check on them so. But who not? Hell, there are things I don’t want to be a computer program or I finding work on my computer. I want to hire somebody to do it.”

BJ Rodgers “And you know the only way to free your time up? I feel like I’m worth $1,000 an hour. Why would I use something that I could I could pay somebody 200 to do exactly right.”

Ingrid Centurion “And I love that story about the baker and your garden business. Because bakers work so hard as well as the garden. That is hard work. Yeah. You getting your hands dirty. You really. It is so much work. And at the end of the day, you know, it’s beautiful. The environment is beautiful.”

BJ Rodgers “Right? What can you imagine? If I had not had technicians that went around? They did it and I did it all myself. I had a warm myself to death, but as a result of providing good jobs, in fact, one of the technicians, I had the business for 27 years, she just retired from the company. So I had it for a long time.”

BJ Rodgers “But but the point was, it provided jobs. People were good at what they did, and there’s still one that still works at the same company that, in fact, I have a house listed with one of the guys that that, works with, the company that I used to own. It’s kind of cool.”

Ingrid Centurion “Very good. Now let’s talk about women supporting women and how, you know, who are the women out there that lifted you up along the way?”

BJ Rodgers “And, well, you know, it’s it’s it is interesting. My mother in law, who was not a business person, but she was an encourager. She knew I remember her telling me when I first Jim and I first got together. I see more in you than you’ll ever see in yourself. And she always encouraged me and lifted me up. And then I had a broker at another brokerage firm that I worked for that said, kind of the same thing to me.”

BJ Rodgers “She said, do you have any idea what you capable of? And I said, no, tell me. She said anything. You she said anything. She said, I’ve watched you. You can do anything you want to do. And I’m like, yeah, you’re right, I can. And then, of course, my husband was very encouraging and, but we flipped houses the entire time we were married.”

BJ Rodgers “We started flipping houses before we before we got together as a as a team. And, so it was always I was always lifted up. That was the good thing.”

Ingrid Centurion “And tell us how, this sisterhood in business, you know, what is what does this mean to you? You know, as we form the, powerful woman in business, Goose Creek chapter. You know, women supporting women is really important. And me, having been in a career with men all my life, I am really understanding this right now, and that’s why I’m really excited about forming this, this chapter and and seeing the women, so many women have businesses.”

Ingrid Centurion It’s truly unbelievable.

BJ Rodgers It is.

Ingrid Centurion “And and the women are the leaders. And we see the men who support them, their husbands support them. And it’s great. So in the a, B, way, we have, men in the organization as well. So when we talk about the American Women Business Association, it’s not just for women. So I want to just talk about that because just like you said, you and your husband were flipping houses before you even were together.”

Ingrid Centurion “So you had a joint interest, in that and then that entrepreneurial spirit. And I’m sure you both love to stay super busy because, I mean, anyone that flips houses you guys are ad you love fixed. Yeah. Oh yeah, oh yeah.”

BJ Rodgers “It’s a yeah. It’s, and the interesting thing about, you know, God made man, then God made woman. We make a great combination. So a lot of times you’ll find I won’t go on or off too much with just women groups, because I think a man brings something to the table that a woman needs or vice versa. So it’s a good thing that has men in the, in the organization.”

BJ Rodgers “And I’ll tell you something else, too, that men learned, I think when women and also a lot of women still don’t know, we were not taught how to do money. We are not taught how to do money unless we could take a course in it. We’re not raised to do anything other than balance a home budget and that some stick.”

BJ Rodgers “That’s a very big mistake. We need to learn how to leverage money. We need to learn how to where to borrow money from, when you want to fund your project that you want to do. And I learned a lot of that on with with slip analysis.”

Ingrid Centurion “Excellent. Excellent story. Yes. So true. We’re going to have some many other guests. They’re going to be sharing amazing stories of real life challenges that happened to, to them. And and now you are you tell us about this book. I am really I read your book. I love it. I think it’s a great little guide on how to purchase a home and, and take every step, because buying a home is one of the pretty big, significant emotional event for anyone, whether you’re 20 years old or 30 years old.”

Ingrid Centurion “A 40 year old, because I know people that have rented their whole lives. So tell us about your book, where we can buy it. And a little structure about your book.”

BJ Rodgers “Okay. Well, it’s it’s called the seller scam, but you can see it, but you probably it can be backwards to you. And my business partner and I, her name is Leah. We put this book together along with our our coach, our coaches, Chris, to make sure she’s in California. She is probably one of the instrumental ones to pull us out of our shell and, and also make us realize that you don’t ever have to settle for crumbs.”

BJ Rodgers You don’t ever have to settle for crumbs. But and in the book it does. It teaches you step by step what to expect in selling process and also to keep people on an even keel. Because so it is it is very emotional. Will sell even if you are not moving from your childhood home. Just say you’re selling a house you’ve lived in for three years is still an emotional move.

BJ Rodgers “Everything is emotional and having the book to kind of guide you along and keep you on track is, our way of contributing back. And we charge and everything for the book. So I have a box of them I could give them. Right.”

Ingrid Centurion “Okay. All right. Great. So, everyone can I like I liked it because it was really simple. And there was a chuckle there. And being a pilot, you know, I love I love checklists to check this off. This would you got to do this what you got to do? Yes. You do a lot of videos currently about all this, but you also brought up that you have a coach and you do a lot of, learning and I know that’s a big part of you let let’s talk about that and how much this coach has inspired you and helped you and grown your business, because people do not want to invest in themselves.”

Ingrid Centurion “People complain over a $100 investment. And let’s talk about this because you’ve got to say no, I want to get better at something and put the money in and let’s talk about how you got more. Your business grew because of the education element from this talk about absolutely.”

BJ Rodgers “Absolutely. Even the coaches have coaches. I mean, right now we just have a business coach. At some point, I’ll probably have a voice, a vocal coach. At some point, I’ll probably have a coach for, something else in my business that I do. Now, I’ve been through multiple programs and I have spent a lot of money on coaching, but it is all come back to it.”

BJ Rodgers “Makes you a better person. I mean, my coach is probably she probably spends $1 million a year on coaching and, must spend a lot of money, too. So, yeah. So we we invest ourselves because we know that if we don’t, we’re going to be mediocre. Mediocre is never going to come out of my mouth. That will not be part of me.”

BJ Rodgers “So having a coach is the best thing in the world. You can do it and spend the money and get a good coach. There are a lot of people don’t tell you. All our coaches, one on one for X number of hours, well, you want to look for results for somebody else. You don’t want to just check on somebody that’s not going to be which you can just spend your money on and not get much for.”

BJ Rodgers “You want somebody that’s going to keep you grow and keep you growing. So we’ve been with our coach now since, June of 2021.”

Ingrid Centurion Wow. He’s been with your coach almost five years.

BJ Rodgers Yep. Five years.

Ingrid Centurion “Okay, so.”

BJ Rodgers “We’re a major part of her program, Jeremy. She has built out all kinds of programs that are we are part of. So it’s it’s phenomenal. I wouldn’t be we wouldn’t be doing videos if it were not for her.”

Ingrid Centurion “I say, okay, okay. So when you look for a coach, you know, look at one that you believe you going to, stick with for many, many, many years, that connection has to be a good one.”

BJ Rodgers “Yes. It has to be a good one. And there are a lot of people that will pay $30,000 for coach, and they never do anything the coach says to do. They show up to the meetings and then they never do it. Well, we’ve done everything she said to do. My next book is the, is the book for buyers.”

BJ Rodgers “So, you know, let’s yeah, we do lots of we do lots of advertising because we no longer are afraid of how we look or sound.”

Ingrid Centurion “So what do you hope your story inspires in other women? Professionally and personally? If you want you some, if you could give young girls, a message, you know, what would that be?”

BJ Rodgers “I suppose mentally, to to be tougher than you, then you want to be on the exterior. Because a lot of times I think we walk around with, with the chip that they’re looking at me and they think I’m not good enough or whatever, you can’t do that. You’re you have to say, okay, I’ve got all the goods right here.”

BJ Rodgers “I’ve got it all. I’ve got it all up here and in here. And, and when I use the heck out of it, they’re going to know who I am when I leave the room. And I think a lot of people are afraid to be bold, especially women. We tend to shrink back and sit on the back row.”

BJ Rodgers “I’m a front row center. I sit on the front row. I mean, that’s just the only way to get what you need. And sometimes that propels you a little bit does put you on the hot spot. Well, you know, so be it. Make yourself a hot spot.”

Ingrid Centurion What’s the best career or life advice you’ve ever received?

BJ Rodgers “I would say make sure you stay in church. I started out my husband’s the one that got me going to church in the first place, but I think church has been a foundation for me. And behind that is, you got to pick a soulmate that is really your soulmate, not somebody that just have a physical appeal or a financial appeal.”

BJ Rodgers “It’s got to be somebody who you really mesh with. And between those two, just God first the spouse, the kids, and then then the, career. So if that doesn’t come first, you probably missing a whole lot in life.”

Ingrid Centurion “Wow, that’s that’s really great. Great. Great advice. Now, what’s the next thing for you? You say, you have new projects coming up, and dreams that you’re working on.”

BJ Rodgers “Well, the book, of course, the buyers book. And of course, that might be very hard. Know I’m also working on, personal book a memoir, shy book. Because I do have a lot of crazy things in my background that have made me who I am. And I started a fictional book about Edisto Island probably 10 or 12 years ago.”

BJ Rodgers “And I put it aside, and it was long before we ever heard about the sex trafficking. And, you know, women slay female slaves and children, slaves and all that, and it actually has that in it. So I need to tie that all together and get it closed up, because I have a law enforcement background and the mystery that goes along with some of that is how I ended up with that book started, and I just needed to get moving on.”

BJ Rodgers That not going to now. I just made it public. Right?

Ingrid Centurion “That’s right, that’s right, that’s right. We’re going to have you back on and we’re going to talk about that. And so where can listeners connect with you? And support your work? Yeah. Like you said, your book, we’re going to pass them out. We’re going to pass them out to home buyers. Are your contacts going to be in there?”

Ingrid Centurion Yeah. Where can they go to get Ahold of you?

BJ Rodgers “So I have 4 or 5 social media sites that we’re on all the time. One is just PJ Rogers, one is Coast to Coast Properties, which is the name of the company that Lee and I have together. And, probably social media is the best way to get in touch with me or our website, which is coast to coast properties.prop.com.”

BJ Rodgers But all you have to do is Google my name or camera. Very good Rogers with a day.

Ingrid Centurion “Now, what are some final words of wisdom you want to leave with these women who are listening, who are, want to stay strong, resilient and impactful. And when they’re, you know, 20, 20, 20 years from now, 30 years from now, where they want to be, what are what are some great words? I mean, you’ve already provided some great stories of wisdom, but what what’s your final, words here to share with them?”

BJ Rodgers “Never be stingy with what you’ve learned. I’ve paid probably close to $100,000 in coaching, but I’m not stingy with what I’ve learned. I teach TikTok to other student or to other real estate agent or whoever wants to learn. I teach any kind of social media. They won’t learn. I can’t teach them the real techie stuff because that’s not my thing.”

BJ Rodgers “But I can also encourage young women, get started and look for somebody like me to take you under their wing and to help push you a little bit when you don’t want to be pushed. And not in a bad way, in a good way, an encouraging way. But always be willing to share your knowledge.”

Ingrid Centurion “Thank you so much for sharing that, because there’s, there’s there’s a lot of, it doesn’t matter what age you are, but you have to be a mentor. You have to be the instigator, and not everybody. Is that right? Not everybody can be an educator. Not not everybody can teach the kindergartners and and and and sometimes younger women join organizations and they may feel like, oh, well, that group I don’t fit in that group.”

Ingrid Centurion “I love people to to what do you call think outside their box. Sometimes it’s good for you to be in a place that you’re uncomfortable in because that’s when you’re going to grow. Yeah. And and I and I am super excited about the powerful women in business, local Ghost Creek chapter that we’re going to grow and we’re going to be able to do, all these good things for learning personally and professionally and helping people grow their business and networking and doing great things in the community.”

Ingrid Centurion “That’s what this is all about. And that’s what I want, this podcast to do is to empower women, inspire women, and motivate, all business owners all across the country.”

BJ Rodgers “Yeah. And when you’re willing to share your talents with somebody else, they have to be willing to share that talent that they’ve learned with somebody else as well, because you can’t keep it close to your vest. If you do, you’re you’ve done a disservice to other business people. Share it.”

Ingrid Centurion “And people see that. People see that people. People figure out who a person is over time, they find out what that person is all about. If they’re all about themselves or they’re, you know, truly all about, a supporting network, a family, a family that’s going to grow together.”

BJ Rodgers Then that additional ability.

Ingrid Centurion “That’s exactly what we’re building here. So thank you so much for being on, the Shero podcast today. I’ll be here and, have a great week. We’ll have you back on.”